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Author Topic: Why are there Canadian roundels? A new rule perhaps?  (Read 8050 times)
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« Reply #30 on: March 14, 2010, 04:30:31 pm »
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    I have to admit I'm terribly curious as to the meaning of the Canadian insignia. Euro40 can't come out fast enough.
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« Reply #31 on: March 14, 2010, 07:34:12 pm »
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    I have to admit I'm terribly curious as to the meaning of the Canadian insignia. Euro40 can't come out fast enough.

Are you also curious about the Dutch insignia?
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« Reply #32 on: March 15, 2010, 03:51:56 pm »
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    I have to admit I'm terribly curious as to the meaning of the Canadian insignia. Euro40 can't come out fast enough.

Are you also curious about the Dutch insignia?

There are already special rules for the Dutch roundel BD. You should play AA40P sometime, it's fun.


As for Canada: I really like SAS's breakdown of how this could work. I think it is an ideal situation and is the likely result.
Larry has already stated that all Canadian provinces will be represented; however, a breakdown like omega's is unlikely. I could see them giving 1 IPC for each Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Manitoba, lumping the Maritimes (Nova Scotia, New Brunswick and together for 1 or even including them with Québec or Ontario (which should be 1 and 2 IPCs respectively.) The territories will be worthless. And Newfoundland (being a British colony at this point) might just be tossed in with Canada for simplicity.

The only tricky thing will be giving Canada access to the sea. Ontario should, in theory, be the logical location for an IC. But unless you count the St. Laurence seaway there is no access to the Atlantic. This means either giving the IC to Québec or lumping the Maritimes in with Ontario. If they choose the later then Ontario should be worth 3 and could be upgraded to a major IC (an important caveat if the roaming capital theory is true, and not so far fetched either, remember Kwangtung is worth 3 IPCs)

In any case, my arithmetic puts Canada at 8-9 IPCs (4 for BC and the three Prairie provinces, 1 for the Maritimes, 2-3 for Ontario and 2 for Québec. This would make western Canada look a little like Siberia and would make Canada nearly self-sufficient without the help of the UK. Given that Canada’s economy has always been about 1/10 the size of the US’s this brings Canada up to consistency with its neighbor to the south (assuming the US will get approximately 100IPCs globally.



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(For a more in-depth discussion of Canada’s relative contribution to the war see “Canadian output” in the AAP40 board. IL participates in a heated statistical debate! wink   
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« Reply #33 on: March 15, 2010, 07:37:41 pm »
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There are already special rules for the Dutch roundel BD. You should play AA40P sometime, it's fun.

I was referring as to why they are not a separate power as everyone would like Canada to be.
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« Reply #34 on: March 15, 2010, 09:14:22 pm »
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The difference is the Dutch start out as a neutral, while Canada was a belligerent from the beginning.  Given that however, Canada, while the government trumpeted independence, was fully integrated militarily within the British forces.  So were the Australians, New Zealanders, South Africans and Indians in North Africa.  It wasn't until Japan attacked beyond China that the situation changed for the Pacific Commonwealth Nations.  Other than the First Special Services Brigade (Devil's Brigade), no Canadian units ever operated outside of the British command structure.  Therefore, it would be ahistorical for Canada to be a separate power.  I say this reluctantly, as a Canadian patriot, who got hooked on wargaming while serving in the Canadian military in the 1970s.  It would be far more realistic to have the split income idea, than a separate player.  As for the roundels, Canadian and Dutch and others, I think they are just there for historical colour and have no real impact on the game.  Note: I always designate units as "Canadian", by using a different colour or marking them, just because I can. Also, I use Canadian spellings like honour and colour just because I can. Ps. As this is my first post, I hope I figured out the quote thingy.
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« Reply #35 on: March 15, 2010, 09:20:23 pm »
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I obviously didn't figure out the "quote thingy".  My post was a reply to BD's comment. Now, I've doubled my number of posts!
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« Reply #36 on: March 15, 2010, 09:37:43 pm »
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I obviously didn't figure out the "quote thingy".  My post was a reply to BD's comment. Now, I've doubled my number of posts!

Click on the word qoute at the upper right of the post that you want to quote.

And you can't give karma until the 100th post, oh never mind, bad joke grin

I agree however with your ideas about Canada.
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« Reply #37 on: March 15, 2010, 09:43:24 pm »
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Welcome to the site mike. I too agree that the roundels will have no impact on the game and will just add "colour". 
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« Reply #38 on: March 16, 2010, 01:28:41 am »
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I obviously didn't figure out the "quote thingy".  My post was a reply to BD's comment. Now, I've doubled my number of posts!

Click on the word qoute at the upper right of the post that you want to quote.

And you can't give karma until the 100th post, oh never mind, bad joke grin

I agree however with your ideas about Canada.

Well, I'm well past 100 posts and I can't do anything with karma yet...  So it must be higher.
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« Reply #39 on: March 16, 2010, 08:04:36 am »
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   I have to admit I'm terribly curious as to the meaning of the Canadian insignia. Euro40 can't come out fast enough.

Are you also curious about the Dutch insignia?

The Dutch roundels on those territories are for the purpose of those territories not counting toward either the Axis' or Allies' income initially and they have to actually occupy those territories.  I imagine this is because the Dutch were at war with the Axis, but had been conquered in May 1940, which seems to be before the approximate start date of 1940 (which kinda looks like somewhere around June 1940 just before Paris was captured), so they couldn't be specifically neutral (at least as far as we understand neutrals at this point) as I assume whatever other rules that apply to neutrals that we will learn when Europe 1940 comes out would be applied to them.  They are treated sort of like territories that are left over after a power's capital has been captured, though if the Netherlands are liberated they don't become another Allied power like France will, and because of this any other Allied power can take control of them also.

I don't see Canada being treated the same way (completely empty until someone walks in), so they should (in my mind at least, I may very well be wrong undecided) serve some purpose other than simply being fancy decoration to make Canadians feel better. tongue
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« Reply #40 on: March 16, 2010, 05:40:20 pm »
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I was hoping that the Global game would give us a "39 option. I would like too add Poland to the list.
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« Reply #41 on: March 17, 2010, 06:08:20 am »
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Polish Cavalry
1 attack,  1 defense, 1.5 movement, defense becomes 0 if defending against tanks...  tongue

Ah, poor Poland...  First to fight, first to be made fun of...
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« Reply #42 on: March 17, 2010, 06:32:46 am »
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Polish Cavalry
1 attack,  1 defense, 1.5 movement, defense becomes 0 if defending against tanks...  tongue

Ah, poor Poland...  First to fight, first to be made fun of...

how much would they cost
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« Reply #43 on: March 17, 2010, 07:44:00 am »
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2 IPCs  grin
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« Reply #44 on: March 17, 2010, 08:56:57 am »
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You do know the Polish cavalry was made bigger than it was by nazi propaganda?
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