Global Game Setup

[Brain Damaged]

USA would have made short work out of Russia and probably should have. Patton had the right idea.

[Funcioneta]

Well, Stalin didn't fear the nukes. After all, USA only had 2 at that time, and no ICBMs that time, so USA still had to launch the bombs. Good luck launching them in key places as Stalingrad or Moscow, soviets had much more planes than Japan when Hiro and Nagasaki, and you have to travel a long run. Maybe they could nuke Leningrad with some good spy work (confusing soviets about the place where the nuke is dropped), but that was of no use after how germans left the poor city

There were more problems: soviet land army had gross numerical advantage, T-series where far better than allied tanks and you can guess political ramifications in places where commies had some force as China, Greece, Italy and even France. You have to explain USA's public opininio why attack a former allie that didn't attack first, etc. No walk in the park, just more kills and not clear victory. Truman did well not attacking, Patton only wanted the glory

But as fantay scenario, 1947 is better after chinese civil war is done. Allies vs soviets and chineses, a fair 4 players scenario

[Brain Damaged]

USA would have established air superiority and then air supremacy in no time and then the bombs would have been raining in Russia.

[Razor]

USA would have established air superiority and then air supremacy in no time and then the bombs would have been raining in Russia.

Right, just like they did in Vietnam.

[Funcioneta]

USA would have established air superiority and then air supremacy in no time and then the bombs would have been raining in Russia.

Right, just like they did in Vietnam.

I think having air superiority over soviet union at late 40s was a bit more difficult than doing over Vietnam at late 60's. I think you overestimate USA's air potential at that late 40's (or maybe you subestimate soviet air) and also forget in that scenario soviets would play in her homeland, and that gives advantage as did for brits in 1940

You see a USA's easy victory. I see a sure carnage with an uncertain result. Attacking the soviets without provocation was not an option, and such attack would put the soviets as the offended and "good guys". You don't want give Stalin such propagandist weapon

[Brain Damaged]

Not only would USA have had air supremacy but they were fully mobilized in both the Atlantic and the Pacific and would have performed the ultimate pincer tactic on Russia.

[Razor]

Not only would USA have had air supremacy but they were fully mobilized in both the Atlantic and the Pacific and would have performed the ultimate pincer tactic on Russia.

Every time in history a major naval power has been up against a major land power, the land power will always win. Its all about logistics.

[SgtBlitz]

Woohoo let's throw even more people into the meat grinder of war after two of the most horrible wars in all history.  I'm sure everyone back then would have been for it!

[Omega]

Historically, no country ever succeeded in conquering Russia...

[Imperious Leader]

Except for Germany in ww1

[Brain Damaged]

Historically, no country ever succeeded in conquering Russia...

Not because they couldn't, but because they didn't.

[Funcioneta]

Except for Germany in ww1

Incorrect, Russia was not conquered (in fact Germany conquered less of them in WW1 than in WW2). Just Lenin did a pact with Germany (Brest-Litovsk peace if I remember well) because he had to fight with zarists while kaiser accepted because he has too much to do against UK and France. As much you can say a minor victory for Germany since Russia lost Poland and also Baltic States, never a conquest

The powers than were more close to conquest Russia were Mongols and France. But Russia was not a nation at XIIIth century (just a bunch of small powers as Moscovy, Kiev and Novgorod) and Napoleon had to retreat from Moscow and finally lost the war

It's higly difficult any power could conquest the full USSR. As much, conquer so much that russians would want coup Stalin. But even then you would change Stalin for someone that easily could be undemocratic anyway (Putin is not Lincoln, you know). Few profit for such high price

[General Chang]

Thread derailed..

Lets get back on topic.

A global game with different setups I think will require even more playtesting and therefore will reduce the amount of testing on the global game for 1940.

IMO a bad idea.

[Razor]

A global game with different setups I think will require even more playtesting and therefore will reduce the amount of testing on the global game for 1940.

IMO a bad idea.

Man, this aint the 1950's. Larry just put the numbers in a pc and print out a balanced set-up. Then some of his buddies play a game and this is the testing. We are not talking rocket science here, buddy.

[Brain Damaged]

Man, this aint the 1950's. Larry just put the numbers in a pc and print out a balanced set-up. Then some of his buddies play a game and this is the testing. We are not talking rocket science here, buddy.

Well hopefully they can use that same PC to create a computer version with a better AI.