allied victory too easy!!!!! :cry:

[Subotai]

And many cannot understand how Whashington fallen before than Moscow.

I have not seen that in 20 years. I cannot imagine this happening if both players are close to semi-decent.

[Emperor_Taiki]

Romania
Hungary
Slovakia
Norway
Denmark
Neth/Belg/Lux
germany didnt control these contres till late 1940 and sinse the game starts earlyer in 1940 the would not be occupied
-12 ipcs so its now 24

The exact start date is June 4th, so mid 1940. Larry Harris has confirmed that all of these nations will be german controlled at the start of the game, Slovakia and Hungry are going to be one territory.

[WILD BILL]

Romania
Hungary
Slovakia
Norway
Denmark
Neth/Belg/Lux
germany didnt control these contres till late 1940 and sinse the game starts earlyer in 1940 the would not be occupied
-12 ipcs so its now 24

The exact start date is June 4th, so mid 1940. Larry Harris has confirmed that all of these nations will be german controlled at the start of the game, Slovakia and Hungry are going to be one territory.

Yea the info I posted was from Larry's earlier posts where he (at that time) spilled the beans on these countries being under total German control at start (some could change). Like I said some of those countries could be combined. The IPC values are an educated guess, I derived from AA50. I think Germany's income should be in the mid 30's to start, with a good chance to expand rd1 through France. There may also be a couple of pro axis tt to the east (like Bulgaria) Germany can simply move into w/o consequences.

[WILD BILL]

I wonder if Free France will get some rules to deploy units after lose of Paris ... maybe China style (only inf) or maybe a IC at French Congo ...

I wouldn't count on it. Larry doesn't like you to build after you loose your capital. Besides if you could just sprout up French rebels in Africa (like Chinese) they wouldn't be able to leave Africa (ACME WALL) . Poor French couldn't even help liberate Paris  . LOL

Your guess seems OK, I guess then USSR will be in the 40s if they have to survive a bit ... at least 10 for Siberia 20 from Europe and 10 from NOs ...

Yea that sounds about right. I wonder if there will be any kind of lend lease for Russia, or if it will just be reflected through an NO again.

[Funcioneta]

And many cannot understand how Whashington fallen before than Moscow.

I have not seen that in 20 years. I cannot imagine this happening if both players are close to semi-decent.

Dude, stop thinking you are playing Classic (I suspect your tech hating is due 3 dice HBs nightmares): Revised was released 5 years ago  If they don't try Polar Express or a balanced allied strat, they cannot win with those strats

I have played as axis at least 2 games with great opponents playing allied side and Whashington fallen before any other capital (courtesy from Polar Express as counter to ignore Japan strat). Other times allies surrendered because they had big economic disadvantage, and I lost only a couple of games. I have not the exact totals, but my win percentage as axis is greater with Polar Express than with JTDTM

[Funcioneta]

I wonder if Free France will get some rules to deploy units after lose of Paris ... maybe China style (only inf) or maybe a IC at French Congo ...

I wouldn't count on it. Larry doesn't like you to build after you loose your capital. Besides if you could just sprout up French rebels in Africa (like Chinese) they wouldn't be able to leave Africa (ACME WALL) . Poor French couldn't even help liberate Paris  . LOL

Let's add China can buy after losing her capital (game starts with Nanking fallen, similar to Paris falling G1) and that also any sort of ACME wall should be deleted with retroactive effects: China, France, neutral or what you want. But good point: Larry thinks that you should not buy after losing the capital, even if many examples is the history and WWII counter this idea (man, even the poles continued the struggle and they had not even a territory)

So I agree with you and the best guess Larry will not give us a exilied capital rule  

[WILD BILL]

Hey great point about continuing on after your capital is taken (China). So there is precedence. You should hammer Larry on it. After a capital falls you surrender your $, but can still produce infantry at certain points of entry (maybe VC) based on the tt value that you still control. Personally I think you should be able to mobilize inf at a VC w/o IC any way. 

[Flashman]

The values given above are rubbish; Netherlands/Belgium alone is worth more in industrial output than all the rest, possible about equal if we consider Romanian oil.

I've argued long and hard against the neolithic capture-the capital-rules, but LH is simply will not consider changing them for a moment.

This is why we'll still be seeing those columns of Japanese tanks heading for Moscow in the global game, despite attempts to divert the ignorant multitudes with nonsense such as victory cities and low value Siberia.

[oztea]

If  your capital is captured, you surrender half of your IPCs to the power that captured your capital and the rest are forefit to the bank.

Any remaning factories you started the game with and are still under your control may continue to operate in the following fashion. Factories may collect IPCs from the territory they are on, and any territories that power controls within 3 spaces of that factory. These IPCs may not be saved, they must be spent immidatley on units.

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By these rules (which still need minor tweaks) India, canada, and perhaps south africa, and obviously ANZAC continue to fight. The Western United States fights to liberate the east coast, Russia doesnt put up a white flag the second Moscow falls, factories continue to produce, albeit like an infantry and an artillery a turn but still! If China can get units and doesnt even have a factory, and these powers have factories.

by these rules also, canada can collect from all of canada, which may be around 5-8 IPCs total
India can collect from burma, and shan state, and malya, but not far flung territores
Western US still collects from alaska, etc
Germany still collects from its territores if soviets take berlin, and it still has france.
Japan only starts with one factory, so they dont realy benifit from this, no japanese dvisions are being raised in shangtung and french indochina etc. if Tokyo falls

Expect something similar to this to be in my 1940 house rules suplement
also stuff like convincing spain to join the war. artilery act as blockhouses when defending against amphibious invasions. US gets an atom bomb...etc.

[WILD BILL]

The values given above are rubbish; Netherlands/Belgium alone is worth more in industrial output than all the rest, possible about equal if we consider Romanian oil.

Well I guess you could make Denmark worth 1 and Bel/Neth worth 3 (to match the map attached to your name) if it makes you feel better. I thought that because of the strategic importance of the straight, it warranted a boost to Denmark. Actually I'm hoping that the Denmark peninsula is a separate tt from the Danish Island's (even if it has no IPC value), so the Luftwaffe will be able to scramble w/AB (but it probably won't happen). Any way my earlier post was just to show that Germany's income should start out in the mid 30's. That they would sill have many tt at the start even w/earlier start date. In AA50 NW Europe is only worth 2 IPC, I doubled it to 4 IPC. At the end the 3 countries (Den/Bel/Neth) will still be worth about 4 IPC's together IMO. I cant see Larry making them any higher. The big question about the area is will Germany have a port on the North sea w/IC giving it direct access as it should.

The other thing to consider is that 3 IPC tt allow you to build a major IC. I really don't think there will be another one on that coast line.

[miragehunter]

Well isn't it a little early to start complaining about something that we don't have information on yet   I would say its safe to make an assumption that Germany will be strong right off the bat.  This being said after seeing the Japanese setup.  But I would say the German setup will probably land units than air units.  That would be my guess.

[fanofbond]

Boy how all of our thoughts have changed.

[Dylan the Canadian]

Look Axis need:

Berlin (Hold your capital as Germany, not too hard)
Warsaw (Don't be pushed in after "Operation Barbarossa"
Rome (Hold Italy's capital)
Tokyo (Hold your cute little island)
Shanghai (Don't let China or India take it)
Paris (Do your G1 attack)
Cairo (As Italy, just get pass)
Calcutta (Get pass weaker India)
Leningrad (Start plowing towards Moscow)
Stalingrad (Get ready for the big hit)
Moscow (Apply your big hit)
Sydney (Get enough troops in Australia)
Hong Kong (Capture Kwangtaung)
Honolulu (Land a huge force on the island)

Allies

Berlin (Get pass Paris, cripple Germany in the East, get enough troops in after how long?)
Tokyo (Land on the island with enough troops to take like a million infantry!)
Rome (Land in France or Sicily move up take Italy's capital)

I think Axis are easier.

[Dylan the Canadian]

But the Axis have sooo many more to take!

Half of them will be easy.

[mike b]

Well lets see...USA would be the country that protects Canada so to take Canada you would have to take the USA! BOOM solved