Operation Sealion a Possibility with AA1940 Europe?

[SgtBlitz]

Eh... nevermind.  Looks like it takes two turns to build a minor IC and upgrade to a major IC...  Will take too long and will be faster to just build transports in the Baltic and run them in.

Invasion by turn 4 is also asking for it with Britain, way too much time for it to pull back all its units and for Germany to be distracted from Russia.

[maverick_76]

In the end I feel that just as it would have been in real life, an incredible amount of luck will be needed to successfully execute. It can be done, but probably with odds of one in ten. But that's just my guess, could be better, could be worse.

[Brain Damaged]

In the original A&A game, my Germany turn #1 was dedicated to eliminating the UK fleet and beginning my attack on Russia. Never gave Sea Lion much of a thought. I am wondering now how feasible it was. I am thinking it was not or I would have tried it.

[WILD BILL]

I think that a sea lion could be possible for Germany rd #3.

G1-take Paris, and the French Atlantic coast (should be a minor IC on coast).
G1-attack/destroy the UK fleet (as much as possible)
G1-roll for tech-(paratroopers), but LRA could come in handy
G1-add to German navy/air (maybe a/c) in Baltic (should start w/BB and several support ships I hope)
G1-attack UK convoys that you can, and UK NO's
G1-start ground march to Russia (to at least set-up def)

It1-attempt to take Gibraltar and more of the UK navy
It1-start reducing UK $ in Africa/Mid East
It1-attack UK convoys/NO's that you can

G2-move German navy (with a/c) to French coast w/IC (English Chanel) (could also move to North Sea as Germany will have access to it with West German IC)
G2-position German air and left over ground units on French coast that just destroyed France to get in range and board trpts
G2-roll tech again (looking for paratroopers)
G2-SBR UK, to reduce UK $, and air force with escorts/interceptors, Germany may have superiority
G2-build 3 more transports on the French coast tt w/IC (or West German tt North Sea port) to put w/navy

It2-continue giving UK hell w/attacks and convoy/NO disruption
It2-maybe set-up a secondary Italian sea lion as well (just in case) if feasible or meet-up w/German navy if Italy took Gilb.

G3- if it looks like you have a chance to take UK down, go for it. If not you can always back track through the Baltic to attack Russia. You could also go north and land in Scandinavia. So at this point you have options.

UK will be building through this process, and making counter attacks. A Sea lion attempt will ultimately depend on the starting strengths of the German/UK navies and air forces, or their ability to get superiority. Italy could play a part by getting to Gibraltar, and cutting off the UK naval reinforcements.  I'm still not sure if you can pull off a Sea Lion w/o paratroopers.

[WILD BILL]

Germany could probably industrialize some coastal territory off France/NWE and stack its navy off of it; but it's still going to be expensive and impractical.  A factory could have better options: it could build more land units instead to hold France in case the Allies build a naval superstack in response to a potential Sealion.


What do you guys think?  Not sure if I'm good with the new AA40 ruleset either, it might not be possible for Germany to place a major factory off the coast like I suggested.

SgtBlitz, from my understanding the French coastal tt will start w/minor French IC, and the Paris tt (land locked tt) will have a major IC. Germany will get them both very early on. Also West Germany will have access to an expanded North Sea, so it will be able to build ships in the North sea between Denmark and the Low countries (kinda reflects the Kiel Canal I guess). This will be cool, could even come with a North Sea port.

[idk_iam_swiss]

You think that France is going to fall that easily? Didn't they have troops in Africa

[Krupp Steel]

You think that France is going to fall that easily? Didn't they have troops in Africa

  Larry said France will fall regardless, it just might take an extra turn if the dice arent on your side.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     

[maverick_76]

Yeah from the sound of it they will fall by turn 2 unless you deliberately avoid conflict with them.

[WILD BILL]

You think that France is going to fall that easily? Didn't they have troops in Africa

It won't be a cake walk, but yea I think France will loose the Paris tt, and the French coast tt rd #1. The Paris  tt should border West Germany (ouch), and the French coastal tt should boarder the low countries that will start out in German hands. The full blitzkrieg (tanks/tacs) should overwhelm the French (pending dice). I also think the Germans will have some inf on the front as well.  Italy should be able to come in and take southern France (Vichy) on it first turn as well. The scattered French units in Africa will be more of a nuisance then anything just backing up UK (they can't replenish). Same with the starting French fleet, I see it as a shell of what it actually was. I would expect the (allied) French fleet to reflect the reduction due to the UK attacking it, and much of it kept in port or scuttled.

[WILD BILL]

Now that we know that the US or Russia can't attack the Euro axis until rd #4 (unless provoked). The UK is really the only main focus. Japan wipes out China, Germany/Italy wipes out France. Then its UK's turn.

Yea you have to make sure that you keep enough troops on the Russian boarder, but as the axis you can take your enemies to their knees one at a time. You almost have to attempt a Sea Lion, there is no one else to fight. You must at the very least kick them out of strategic areas, like the Med, Middle East, and Africa, but you can't take a pass at London if it doable. This might be a kill UK first, then go for India once everyone is at war. Saying that, however, if UK falls its not game over, US/Russia will be powerhouses, but you have to take advantage of the delay for them to enter the game.

UK's strategy will be as it is in Pac 40 (India), stay alive as long as you can and wait for your friends to bail you out (RD #4). The only difference is they will have more units, and may be able to delay the inevitable long enough for their allies to prevent their destruction. Either that or enough time to setup a quick liberation that they could be a part of.

[Brain Damaged]

Okay France is gone. UK, USSR and China are waiting for a bail out. That is going to make things rough on the US.

[WILD BILL]

Yep, that's pretty much what happened   If Japan hadn't attacked Pearl/Philippines who knows? I think we would have figured some way to get our hands dirty though at some point.

[Brain Damaged]

Yep, that's pretty much what happened   If Japan hadn't attacked Pearl/Philippines who knows? I think we would have figured some way to get our hands dirty though at some point.

I am sure they already were dirty.

[SgtBlitz]

Hell, just holding UK from US/canadian counterattacks is going to be rough, as soon as wardec comes through.  Pending the dice even let you take England.

I guess one could try to go big in the med and reduce UK to irrelevance, but probably takes too much time compared to a knockout blow.  Yea another Russian Barbarossa argument...

Hell, even if Germany manages to conquer Russia, its going to be really difficult to overcome 80+ US IPCs and 50+ UK IPCs (w/ NOs) a round with naval units built from scratch in an Allied threatened Baltic.  Hopefully Japan/Italy can take some of the pressure off, but without keeping an existing fleet stack alive throughout the game as a starter I dunno how it can be done.

Maybe it'll be best to go all out for Russia G1 or G2 (after/while France is taken, of course)!  If Germany is at Moscow's doorstep Round 4 and US finally war decs it could be a very different type of game.

[Brain Damaged]

You wouldn't necessarily have to hold UK after a successful Sea Lion strategy. The added income and the loss of UK income from taking the capitol would go a long way.