On the subject of the Russian Sub

[Unknown Soldier]

Correct me if I'm wrong: Subs can't attack each other, because a sub can dive instead of rolling a dice, and both attacking and defending sub has first strike? So the definding sub could dive instead of rolling defending dice?

You are correct sir.

[TimTheEnchanter]

Exactly, in 2 games recently already, the Russian sub has taken out both my German sub and the cruiser. 

Correct me if I'm wrong: Subs can't attack each other, because a sub can dive instead of rolling a dice, and both attacking and defending sub has first strike? So the definding sub could dive instead of rolling defending dice?

It's not correct that subs can't attack each other.   It's just that often, if there aren't DDs in the mix, one side doesn't want to and will submerge before any battle occurs. In the case mentioned, the defender could have submerged the sub, but chose to fight with it, probably intending to use it as fodder to protect the CA.

[Croggyl]

It's not correct that subs can't attack each other.   It's just that often, if there aren't DDs in the mix, one side doesn't want to and will submerge before any battle occurs. In the case mentioned, the defender could have submerged the sub, but chose to fight with it, probably intending to use it as fodder to protect the CA.

You are right!
I forgot that subs can used as fodder, because of that 1's on sub defending I regulary don't use subs as fodder and have seen only sub meetings in my last games.

[Bardoly]

It's not correct that subs can't attack each other.   It's just that often, if there aren't DDs in the mix, one side doesn't want to and will submerge before any battle occurs. In the case mentioned, the defender could have submerged the sub, but chose to fight with it, probably intending to use it as fodder to protect the CA.

That's exactly what I planned to do, because if the Russian sub hits my German sub, then my cruiser SHOULD be able to hit it back before being hit himself, but alas, it was not to be.   

[Crossover]

Imagine a round 3 situation:

Italy has its fleet in SZ 15, they maybe attacked Transjordan in round 2.
a clever move would be as UK - move your complete fleet to SZ 13, this fleet should be AC + 2 ftgrs, 2 Cruisers, 2 DDs and 1-2 subs. Yes, buy subs as UK if you want to kill that Italian fleet.

So that Italien fleet is trapped!
If they control Egypt and Trans Jordan, use your Inf from Persia and a Bomber to capture Transjordan, so the Italian fleet can't escape via Suez canal.

So what can Italy do ?

1) Attack - that's suicidal, especially with 2 UK subs and that Russian sub in SZ 13 (russian sub moved to SZ 13 first, UK followed)

2) leave - unfortunately they can't ; SZ 16 is also 2 spaces away from SZ 13

3) block - the best option.

This is a 2 step move:
First take ground units from Italy and recapture Transjordan
Build a DD in SZ 14 hoping to block UK fleet and use Suez canal next round.

Next Round:

Now the Russian sub will have a use. Attack that newly build Italian DD with your sub and 1-2 fighters from Caucasus (you have to land all your Russian aircraft in Stalingrad or build new one there !!). SZ 14 is 2 spaces away from Caucasus, so that fighters can fly back in NCM safely.

It doesn't matter if that sub survives, what matters is to destroy that DD - UK will move before  Italy and will destroy that fleet easily ! (use 2 subs and 1 DD plus aircraft, you will win with overwhelming odds - do not use your cruisers if not necessary, better attack France if possible but beware of German aircraft)