G U A R D - german submarine and air strategy for AA50

[tin_snips]

i've always felt for germany to last an extra turn or two, they should attack any uk navies that are in range. subs + bomber/fighters can always reach something in the first round

[Je_Gab_Fan]

I think you are right...

in G1, each time the axis player looses an occasion to kill some brithis vessels, they will come back to haunt him, since chances are slim he will ever have the advantage in a future naval encounter.

[Todd7912]

I also agree with tin_snipes. Germany should always be sinking something allied.

I think it will be possible to buy 2 subs every turn for germany, and a dd block is a minor speed bump. If there is a dd blocking then you move in with subs/air and sink it. On the next turn if UK places a dd there again you can move away from it and out into the atlantic. (I believe you can move subs away from a dd in the combat move if you do not wish to engage in combat. This is a general rule. Correct me if I am wrong). So, you move those out and more in.  Repeat. Call it the German sub-shuck.

Another way would be an IC in France.

[Heavy Deed]

Your strat could work..If you built an attack fleet of subs on G1 with the intent of launching them into the Atlantic on G2,and if the UK blocks SZ6 with a single destroyer,then Italy attacks the DD with its fighter and attempts to destroy it on I1. If successful,you have an opening to launch your subs out of the Baltic on G2.

[Gallo Rojo]

This is a bit embarassing, but I actually didn't think of the DD block in North Sea counter...  Perhaps the idea of subs actually being a worthwhile buy for the first time in Axis & Allies history got me carried away and stopped my brain from working correctly!

you can sink the British DD in front or the English Channel during your combat move and then send the U-Boats to the North Atlantic on your non-combat move, can't you?

(your Cruiser and Transport will be gone unless you buy an AC)

UK might want subs to kill the Italian fleet.

I would use fighters and bombers instead (once you sink the fleet you can still use them on land battles too)

Italy might ofcourse need a few subs.

yes, they are stylish

So subs will definitivly be usefull in AA50, sadly not so usefull for Germany I guess.

which is a shame since subs were more useful for Germany than for any other country in the war

But one question about subs: What happens if 3 subs attack 2 carriers with 4 planes?
: can the planes defend? (no Destroyers in the defending fleet)
: can planes be takes as cassulty?

If the answere is no to both these question, the fact that Japan starts with very few destroyers will be a very very big limitation for them. US can build a few very deadly submarines which can litteraly destroy the Japan fleet

 yeah! http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=12924.0

[Je_Gab_Fan]

You could also set up a trap for allied navies, by sinking the dd and leaving your subs posted there.
If, by any chance, the german player was to be attacked by an english navy that would not dispose of a destroyer, they could trap them by submerging prior to the battle and coming back to attack the fleet on their turn, using planes togheter with the subs.

I don't exactly remember the initial setup of the game and if uk disposes of a lot of destroyers, but in my opinion, this tactic could work at least once against inexperienced players.