@PP: instead of answering you privately I choose to write here instead.. is a "Forum" after all.. our own "speakers corner" if you will.
I hope you dont regard it as hijacking the thread, but I like to give my thoughts on that important topic.
Donald is a moron. (he said Europe breaks apart due to immigration stress)
There are about 740 million people in Europe. About 80 million are in Germany.
Say there are 2 million refugees coming to Germany. That's like one Muslim Syrian child sitting in a crowded school class full of 40 Hans and Evas.
Will that mean the end of the school system? I think not.
What all these politicians have in common.. Trump in US, Farage or Johnson in UK, Kaczinski in Poland and (you probably never heard of them) similar colored politicians like Petry or Gauland in Germany...
They take small facts and blow them up, or bend them to create primal emotions in people.. like fear of identity and loss of security.. to promote their agenda.
if you look at it from a scientific angle you see most what they say is simply not true
E.g. the 350 million pounds per week going to EU. If you take the "brit discount" (thanks to Margaret "I want my money back" Thatcher and money which flows back through funding of UK business) it goes down to 110 million per week.
Is still a large sum, but investing money elsewhere protects UK interests as well. E.g. if Europe funds eastern / southern Europe through this, it prevents more immigration from these parts and creates jobs for brits who want to work outside UK as well. (I think currently about 1,2 million brits work and live outside UK)
Germany pays MUCH more, and I am happy for it. we are wealthy here... damn.. we all are.. Europe is the best continent when it comes to that. We live longer, don't suffer hunger, have free time.. all indicators we have point to that.. again facts show that.. but emotions in some grumpy old men go another way.
Is EU bureaucratic? Sure it is. And its slow and 27 members can hardly agree on anything. But it made us prosper and free to move where we want. of course there could be a better system. But criticizing what we have.. and speak of "them above" or "them abroad" as enemies is soooo much simpler than offering changes or a better way.
The economic wheel is turning slow but steady and it points toward the end of nations (no joke), since economy doesn't care for that. A job has to find the best possible person to do it. it doesn't matter where its from.
Sure.. people and political powers are clinging to it and try to stop it. But it cannot be stopped. Only if we choose to nuke us back to the stone age. (is still a possible option looking at the world map and current affairs)
That being said I sincerely hope that EU is not only looking for fault in the British referendum, but also if EU can be / must be changed. Not a revolution, but a reformation may be.
EU was created after WW2 with a promise of peace. Which was a strong promise and which was also upheld!
May be the promise must be changed to something more fitting into the current world .. if it can be.