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226  Other Forums / World War II History / Re: Military History's Best Loser on: February 28, 2013, 09:30:18 pm
I said he was not born in Spain.  It is not correct to imply from that that I didn't know where he was born.  My degree is in computer science so I know a bit about logic and your logical conclusion is invalid.

So again IL, Hannibal was born in Turkey you say?

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"New Carthage" as it was known was part of today's Spain. The logistical support are not "bases"- they are part of the empire, so Rome didn't really have a sea barrier since Spain was practically next door.

Wikipedia says New Cathage served as a stepping off point for the conquest of spain.  So your argument is that a stepping of point is not a base?  Sure, they are different words.

Well my point was that that stepping off point was not an integral part of what was that empire of Carthage, it did not contribute to its original greatness.


IL says:
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Only if you can wear that pathetic wife beater shirt and the 99. cent sunglasses in the white trash Jimmy...

So we have a deal then, I shall where wear the pathetic wife beater shirt and the 99 cent sunglasses and I will take my white trash Jimmy and hopefully tow a trailer and hang out with the gang in Oshawa where I will see you and I will be able to say politely you are a dick to your face and you would be wise to be polite to me in return, it is the Canadian way to be polite after all.
227  Other Forums / World War II History / Re: Military History's Best Loser on: February 28, 2013, 07:52:11 pm
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My Masters in History from Stanford says it. It is common knowledge and i don't do your homework.

From your degree you assert Hannibal was born in Turkey?  The urge to crack a joke at the expense of the US educational system is nearly overwhelming.  I would however truly regret insulting my American family and friends so I shall refrain from picking the low hanging fruit.

You are a dick however and I would love to tell you this to your face.   wink

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartagena,_Spain#Ancient_history

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The town was originally named Mastia. Possessing one of the best harbors in the Western Mediterranean, it was re-founded by the Carthaginian general Hasdrubal in 228 BC as Qart Hadasht ("New City"), identically named to Carthage, for the purpose of serving as a stepping-off point for the conquest of Spain.

True, a "stepping-off point" is not the same phase as a base, but it sure is pretty much the same thing in my opinion.  But we can agree to disagree on if it was a base, a stepping off point or a huge part of the empire.
228  Other Forums / General Discussion / Re: I don't get it... Can someone help me out here? on: February 28, 2013, 07:48:30 pm
Garg, in your neck of the woods the native treaty issue is more hot.  Like I said before, as you move west the natives were less pacified/diluted/weakened.

On the other hand, the war of 1812 really had very little western component.  I had miss-wrote a previous sentence.  The natives are largely responsible for 'upper Canada' being Canadian.

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If it wasn't for the Natives most of Canada would belong to the natives Americans as the war of 1812 was won primarily with the help of native allies.  Their reward was to be screwed over by the British.  60 cents a day is a bargain for that classic betrayal.

The land out West was very thin on Europeans loyal to the monarchy.  Don't underestimate the fear the US army would come in and crush the natives of the west and take that land for themselves as it was 'un-claimed'.  In order to secure the land and form what is now Canada, a certain bit of bribery was required.  The alternative was to let the US pacify the natives at which they were getting quite good at.  Do not forget the context of when those early compromises were made.
229  Other Forums / World War II History / Re: Military History's Best Loser on: February 28, 2013, 07:31:30 pm
I said Hannibal was no Spanish, am I not correct in that statement IL? 

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It was ( the 1st and 2nd Punic wars) where Hannibal the General born in Turkey ( not Spain or Carthage) commanded an army dispatched from part of the empire in what was to become Spain in an attack against Rome.

IL, you claim Hannibal the General was born in Turkey?  Can you cite your sources please?

IL, you are correct in that I should have used the word sea rather than ocean.  Point for you.  So, where was Hannibal born again?  Is this where I would say "Get it right?"  Such an unfriendly statement that is......  Glad that was put to rest.  And yes, it was and continues to be fun.

The 19 years was the length of time New Cathage was a possesion of Carthage, hardly an integral part of their empire in my opinion.  Again, I assert Carthage was primarily an African based empire and that an ocean....rather a sea was between Rome and Carthage proper sans their recent conquests in Spain which did not make them a European power.
230  Other Forums / General Discussion / Re: This is how the Borg were born on: February 28, 2013, 04:20:27 pm
I read that, you beat me to the punch!  I wonder if some of these folks just like screwing with little animals!
231  Other Forums / World War II History / Re: Military History's Best Loser on: February 28, 2013, 04:19:37 pm
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Hannibal spent the 8 years in Spain prior to MARCHING his army into the Italy

Hannibal only took over in 221 BC.  He did spend a number of years at the side of his family/father in pacifying Iberia.  A newly conquered land in my opinion is not an integral part of the empire, moreover it was only a portion of Spain.  I don't recall ever saying part of spain was not part of the empire, but straw-men are so much more fun and easy to defeat.  I would not consider the Spanish holdings as a major portion of the empire, to the extent it would transform Carthage into a European power rather than an African power.  So I maintain that Cathage was primarily an African power fighting a primarily European power and that those two powers had a SEA between them that would hamper reinforcements and communication.

By the second punic was Carthage was not as strong as it once was, but stronger than I had thought upon further readings.  I also should have used the word sea rather ocean so point taken, Mea Culpa for poor choice of word.  My point which seems to be lost was that in my opinion it took a bit of skill to fight when you have a large waterway that separates you from your center of gravity.

Napoleon did revolutionize manpower.
232  Other Forums / General Discussion / Re: US versus China for world position on: February 28, 2013, 09:39:01 am
I read that article too.  I suspect citizens of the west are a bit more free to do things than those in China, like hacking.   I am sure ECHELON is a form of hacking that has benefited the english speaking nations that are the controlling members.  But the primary purpose of ECHELON is not to steal secrets.  I am sure some information does trickle down the benefits friendly nations companies, but again, not the primary purpose as unit 69318.

Interesting stuff to me at least!
233  Other Forums / General Discussion / 'Harlem Shake' rattles Islamists in Tunisia on: February 28, 2013, 06:11:41 am
Not exactly they type of Shake I was thinking of.  I imagined a well spoken moderate religious guy........

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2013/02/27/20614336.html

Perhaps there is hope in the world if the phase "Never trust anyone over 30" is adapted by the youth of Islamic countries!
234  Other Forums / World War II History / Re: Military History's Best Loser on: February 27, 2013, 04:27:26 pm
With comments like "Get it right." it implies to me you just want to be dick.  I think for me this topic is just about done. IL, see you in Oshawa.
235  Other Forums / World War II History / Re: Military History's Best Loser on: February 27, 2013, 12:02:18 pm
Splitting hairs comparing England as a base but not owned versus New Carthage.

Again, my point was that Hannibal was fighting Rome for Carthage and that the empires were primarily across an ocean.  We can politely agree to disagree on what degree Carthage was considered an African Empire.  Iberia was barely part of the Carthaginian empire, certainly not a key portion of the empire as say Italy was to the Roman Empire...western roman empire that is.

This was a fun polite debate IL, I encourage you to keep to that spirit and refrain from less than polite discourse.


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I guess the war against Japan wasn't overseas... because those were part of your territory.

Perhaps England is not overseas from Argentina and never fought a long distance across the ocean war since the Falkland Islands are close to South America and part of the British Empire.

But this debate as to whether or not Carthage is considered overseas from the Roman Empire should perhaps get a thread of its own and not hijack this thread.  We should discuss WHY Hannibal was the Best who Lost!   wink
236  Other Forums / World War II History / Re: Military History's Best Loser on: February 27, 2013, 11:22:44 am
By your logic, the US did not fight an overseas war during WW I or II as it had bases in England.  Sure dude.  If you want to insist Carthage and Rome were not separated by the Mediterranean ocean you go girl.  Whatever you say.
237  Finding Players / Events / Re: FMGC 2013 - Gaming Convention - GTA CANADA on: February 27, 2013, 11:20:06 am
Ah, well I was just being a technical with the word "fixed".   tongue  Can yell tell the community can't wait!!!
238  Other Forums / World War II History / Re: Military History's Best Loser on: February 27, 2013, 11:17:46 am
I suppose it depends on YOUR version of the meaning of war and battle.  *shrugs*
239  Other Forums / World War II History / Re: Military History's Best Loser on: February 27, 2013, 11:16:16 am
If you insist there is a disagreement then you must be right.
240  Other Forums / World War II History / Re: Military History's Best Loser on: February 27, 2013, 11:13:06 am
I never disagreed that the attack came from Spain.  So again, I am not sure what if any disagreement there is.

But the war was between an empire based in Africa against a European empire.  I don't think you can say Carthage was a Spanish based Empire because it had a few belongings there for a few decades.

I think you are confusing battles with wars.
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