Oh, and yes, btw, I do think the Democrats have learned that pulling out of Iraq prematurely is akin to shooting themselves in the foot, politically, as it will be THEM surrendering, not Bush surrendering and that just cannot be allowed. Thus, both Hillary and Barrack have pretty steadfastly said they will not leave Iraq until it's won. Edwards was not so smart, he (and Kucinich) were the only two advocating surrender and withdrawal.
That is simply not true. Obama has said time and again "16 months" I watched the California debate, did you? Obama said "I will have the troops out in 16 months." He also said that Hillary won't pull them out fast enough.
And, to be perfectly honest with you, I don't think McCain, Obama or Clinton WILL pull out of Iraq. Not on THEIR watch. They do NOT want to go down in history as THE President who backed down to terrorism and spawned the millennium of horror. (Not saying it would happen if they surrendered, but fear of it maybe happening is enough to stop them.)
It doesn't realy matter what you think, Obama is the only
current presidential contender who has given a specific time table for withdrawal from Iraq.
So let's look at the REAL issues in 2008:
Protection for the United States Flag wtf are you talking about?
Gay-Marriage True Conservatives believe this is wrong, true republicans believe it's a states rights issue, just like McCain
Legalization of Marijuana not going to happen, not an issue
Immigration <===Probably the biggest one and one McCain and Clinton have carbon copy solutions too Am I the only one that read Obamas plan? It's the same as everyone elses, They are all using the same plan, the same one that McCain tryied to push through last year. Obamas plan = pay a fine, take a test, get in line = Amnesty (acording to Rush, Hanity etc) = McCain Plan
Appointment of two Supreme Court Justices, potentially Obama = Liberal Justice McCain = Conservative Justice
Cumbersome restrictions on business to curb green house gases, though no proof that these gases are truly the culprit
Obama on environment:
12/14/2007 Farm, Nutrition, and Bioenergy Act of 2007 (Farm Bill) NV
12/13/2007 Energy Act of 2007 NV
12/11/2007 Government Sponsored Farm Insurance Policies Amendment NV
11/08/2007 Water Resources Development Act of 2007 NV
06/21/2007 Energy Act of 2007 Y
06/21/2007 Alternative Energy Subsidies Y
06/14/2007 Offshore Drilling in Virginia NV
06/14/2007 Clean Energy Achievement Criteria Y
12/21/2005 Removal of ANWR Provision from HR 2863 Y
11/03/2005 ANWR Amendment Y
09/13/2005 EPA's Clean Air Mercury Rule Y
Obama is just a "green as any other democrat, thats what the majoraty want these days because of idiots like gore
Gay Adoption Privileges See gay marriage
Religious Observance of Holidays in Public See gay marriage
Health Insurance <===If Immigration isn't biggest, this one is.
Again the huge advantage you seem to think Obama has here is that he is saying the same thing McCain is! If you want to compare voteing records, Obama should get some more voting time in, McCain Represents my state I Know his voting record, it's in the paper and on the news all the time. I also know his poicies. He is more central than I am, but Arizona is one of the most conservative states in the country
On the two biggest issues, Obama has McCain down cold. He wants to force illegals to get documented and pass standard immigration tests or leave. McCain wants to give them amnesty, though he's willing to put up a token border security in the form of a chain-link fence, provided it doesn't cost too much.
Obama also wants to allow you to pick your health insurance provider and only the truly destitute would get free coverage from the government, which is okay, since we already HAVE THAT. It's called Medicare and Medicaid. McCain has Hillary's plan in mind, screw the health insurance industry, confiscate the insurance providers and drive out all the pharmaceuticals and talented doctors in a half-baked plan to provide everyone with health insurance. (Forgetting this plan has failed everywhere it has been tried, mind you.)
I don't really enjoy Barry's plan, but ya know what, it's better then Madam Clinton or Mr. POW's plans!
Furthermore, I don't think Barry has the clout in Washington to actually succeed. Thus, his first term in office will hopefully be a complete flop and he can turn out to be another Carter. This will allow the Republicans to come to their fracking senses and find a d@mn conservative in 2012 to run against the do nothing Obama!
And, if all that isn't enough, at least Obama is a muslim! He should have more clout with the terrorists then a Christian who they can demonize as a crusader. Can't exactly be a muslim crusader, right? That's called just being an insurrectionist, or insurgent or something. But I can tell ya this, Muslims are not what you think of when you see pictures of the Knights Templar!
Jen you make my head hurt, I need a motrin and a nap. Chickens are Chickens Ducks are Ducks and Obama is one of the most liberal democrats in the government. McCain is a states rights conservative Republican. And you listen to the radio too much...