I claim New England, the Caribbean and the rest of the solar system.  You can have Iraq and Afganistan...

 

LOL, yeah it was a great game, I love a close game especialy when we win

fyi Phoenician

BTY, I was whatching this show on CMT called Hillbilly Delux about the crazy things Rednecks with money do.  They showed this guy dringing Utopias in a funnel lmao.

I claim mars.  It's mine.

Ok, how about Fox, CNN, and the Senate...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,166038,00.html

http://hsgac.senate.gov/public/_files/052008Masters.pdf

http://money.cnn.com/2008/05/08/news/economy/senate_gas_prices/index.htm

I am not suggesting some backroom conspiracy, I'm saying that investment companies have found a way to make money and they're taking from me.  I am also saying that global warming proponents think is a good thing because it's helping their agenda.

I agree there are people that will pay more for better gas mileage, but there are even more people that can't go out and buy a new car so they get better mileage.  Those people are really getting the shaft in the name of progress.

3. The money you pay for gas goes to the gas station, refineries, and oil companies. Oil companies do not pump all the oil they sell. They buy it on the open market from OPEC and other countries. It's then refined and sold. Exxon makes huge profits, but percentage wise, they're right in line with other industries- they just happen to sell more of their product than every other company.

You missed a step, the oil companies also buy from investors who are buying from OPEC and other countries.  That creates an artificial demand and normally allows for a more smooth process so that demand isn't constantly rising and falling.  However now that oil prices seem to be going up only it's a runaway train the more that is bought the higher the price goes.  From what I can gather, I don't have a hard current source the world uses about a 100 million barrels of oil a day, I read in one of those sources above that there are over a billion barrels being held by speculators, and the longer they hold them the more their worth and when they sell them the more they can buy again...

I'm not saying that speculation is the only problem or that alternative fuels shouldn't be developed.  I'm saying unregulated speculation is costing me money.  I think it's sad that we are dependant on foreign oil, especially with the technology available.  I read last week about an electrolysis generator that can split H2 and O and feed them directly into a cars intake increasing mileage and hp by 15% to 40%.  It runs off of the car battery and distilled water.  If some one can make and install that in their garage the car companies should be doing something more to increase mpg.

Well, that sounds much easier, I think I'll try that on one and see how it looks, thanks.

I agree that the ecconomy in general doesn't seem that bad, but gas is rediculus.  I'm a conservative free market guy, but when speculators are buying up to 60% of the oil production and becoming a major cause of the inflated prices, there's something wrong.

Why do you think speculators are buying up oil? Maybe they know something the rest of us already know: the dollar is in the toilet, demand for oil is going up, supplies are limited. It's easy to blame speculation for the cost of oil, but the real problem is much more intractable.

Read this slow so you can understand it better, when 60% of oil contracts are made by non consumers there is something broken.  That is artificial demand.  http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8878

I agree that we need fuel alternatives, but me paying $600 a month for gas isn't making electric cars.

you just answered your own question. If an electric car cost you $300 a month, wouldn't you buy it? Why do you think billions are being spend by GM and Toyota on electric and fuel cell cars? Do you think they would be doing this if gas were still at $1.50 a gallon?

No I didn't, and no I wouldn't.  I paid $5000 for my truck, 1) there are no electric cars that will do what I need. 2) If I have a $500 dollar car payment for a car that only uses $300 a month that is still more than the $600 I pay for gass now.  3) The money I am paying for gas is going primarily it seems to investors not AV researchers.  

  For the life of me I can't see why people think inorder to get alternative fuels gas has to be expensive.  We certainly didn't get out of the stone age because rocks got too expencive.  We left the stoneage because Bronze worked better.

Altnerative fuels ONLY become practical when gas becomes expensive. Let's imagine you're trying to start a company and picthing an idea to some investors: I can make an electric car that costs $20,000 and gets 60 MPG. Probably not a hot idea when gas was $1.50. Now it's a VERY GOOD investment with gas about to hit $5 a gallon. Are you really so ignorant that you don't know that the high cost of a commodity spurs innovation? When's the last time you saw a steam engine train or paddle boat?

If there was a 20k electric car it available even 5 years ago, you wouldn't be able to keep them in stock.  If is gets 60mpg its not electric its a hybred, and 60mpg isn't very good for a hybred anyway the VW TDI gets that.  Talk about ignorant, how many cars have you owned, how many car payments have you made? aparently everyone in the world should either ride a bicyle or pay a $500 car payment.  Are you realy so ignorant to believe that every american can aford to go finance a new car so that you can get a nice warm fuzzy feeling about the environment?

I have a small pickup, I get +-25mpg and I paid $70 for friggen gas this morning.  But hey as long as we get electic cars my kids don't need to eat this week, that's cool.

If your financial situation is that desperate, you have only yourself to blame. I'm guessing you do like the rest of us: less road trips, cut back on non-essentials (latte, HBO, turn up the thermostat a couple degrees, etc.). Gas prices suck, but I'm not exactly looking at starvation in the face. Me thinks there's a little hyperbole going on here...

Ah, I see, I should make myself uncomfortable for the polar bears.  Well don't concern yourself too much with me being too comfortable in a few weeks I'll be in Iraq doing my part to be uncomfortable.  I guess i can quit bitching about gas too, because I'll be buying alot less in the next year, still gota get the kids to school, but the gas in my hummer you'll be paying for

And then BAM! MaiTais in Antartica baby!

You can, the article I quoted is factual, I'm lazy and it's eisier to quote than write myself.  also most of the factual articles on wiki are referenced so if you have doubts you can follow the research.

Also if you counter Egy with every thing don't you weaken India?

It looks cool, I'm too buisy to start something new right now but maybe soon.

Now go look in the mirror, and say to yourself, stupid stupid stupid, and slap yourself silly. And promise yourself you will never post again when you are drunk.

I used to do that, until I found Jesus.

When you found him was he mowing your lawn?

It's factual. 

I think if you do the exact same thing every game you are setting your self up for a preplanned counter.

Cool, Deer Valley Games is a local company, I could get a copy of that game pretty quick I imagine;)