By "experts," not by the majority of people. It might just be that I know many people that hate TCU as a school (It's considered the "posh" school that all the rich oil kids go to if they didn't go to Rice).

And yes! Good job Buckeyes, you proved me wrong I was convinced the Arkansas would pull it off.

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Frimmel, my words were perhaps a poor choice. The system worked, but I happen to hear the opposite, how the BCS is allowing too much hype for these teams who were just non-contestants. Perhaps what I am trying to say is that the Rose Bowl win shows that the expectations of people based upon rankings is flawed.

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TCU could not stop the power running game of the Badgers. Had they ran the ball for the two point attempt, they would have scored.

It wrong that a team will go undeated and have no chance for a national championship.

Perhaps they would have. I don't know, it is determination that stopped that play our linebackers had it. Even if we had failed to stop that play, I believe we would have won in OT.

We were undefeated but so was Oregon and Auburn. They have amazing programs that are much better than TCU's. We still have a long way to go so we in no way deserve a shot at a National Title. The only thing we proved was that the system is broken and some schools should not be dismissed because they aren't "established" within the BCS system.

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Gentlemen that is how it is done. TCU 13 and 0. Rose Bowl champions. Now please tell me why they don't deserve to be in an AQ conference!

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Who said they don't deserve to be in an AQ conference? Their move to the Big East is very good for them cause they are obviously legit. The point is that in the Big Ten they'd be facing a game like that every week and not just one at the end of the season with a month to prepare on a neutral field in perfect weather.

I think Wisconsin out thought themselves. Why the Badgers didn't just grind the Frogs to a nub running up the gut baffles me. And the Badger clock mismanagement at the end of the first half prevented them from putting up seven. They went to the locker room with all their time outs but were rushing the FG team out. Total coaching fail.

And why did Clay spend all that time on the bench?

Plus IMO TCU got the benefit of a couple ticky-tac PI calls (one where the Badgers stopped them on third and long that ended up in a scoring drive.) But those are the bounces. TCU is a good team and earned their win but I didn't see anything from them that makes them more deserving than Auburn or Oregon for a title shot.

Fishmoto37 and Elwood Gee are the people I am talking to with that comment, but to address your points I do not think that deserve to take on someone like Oregon or Auburn, they lack the strength presented in those teams. I think TCU is good all around but they are not at 100% strength, they lack a line that can kill and rely on the strength of stopping big plays (linebackers, safeties, etc.)

The PI calls were still legitimate though, that particular call, regardless of the throw was still a shove to the ground when he could have moved farther and caught it. I agree though, if the badgers had not had those on them, it could have been a different game, perhaps a rout.

I was surprised to on the lack of running on the part of the badgers... also how long they held onto the ball compared to TCU (36:35 to 23:25) and yet they weren't able to turn that time into a gluttony of points.

Yet, you are right, we do only deserve the Big East move, hopefully Patterson will get more strength for the line. Next year people will probably forget about TCU, even if we start at #2. Dalton, Carder, Kerley, Kirkpatrick, Johnson, and Young were essential to the reason we won and they will be replaced by guys that were horrible this season when they were let on the field.

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He's referring to spygate, when Bill Belichick used staff to videotape opponent's practice.

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Nope... poor dude has been missing though. He had great contributions to threads! I enjoyed his thoughts on subjects.

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Patriots, grew up in New England, watched them win the Super Bowl 3 times as a teen... Kind of in the blood.

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Gentlemen that is how it is done. TCU 13 and 0. Rose Bowl champions. Now please tell me why they don't deserve to be in an AQ conference!

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It looks fun! Pirates make anything fun though...

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Fiesta Bowl: Oklahoma
Orange Bowl: Stanford
Sugar Bowl: Arkansas. I know everyone says Buckeyes. I don't care.
Rose Bowl: TCU. Not just cause I attend school here, the drive to prove something exists. Wisconsin has the Big 10 and the nation of critiques behind them. We have heart and a very good talent. I'm not going to say even a better talent, I think Wisconsin edges us, but I think we got the game. 
National Game: Auburn. Hands down. Cam Newton has made a pact with God. I know that somehow.

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Tough loss for Boise.

Interesting move for TCU and good addition for the Big East. Easier path to a BCS bid for TCU and may in the long run save the auto bid for the Big East as well.

And Saturday gave me the best highlight of the season, another beat down of TSUN by the Buckeyes. Denard is a great player and I don't know how injured he was but it came across as quitting when he didn't come back after going in for a series after getting 'taped up'. He didn't seem to be having any trouble with the ball.

So who's on upset alert this week? Auburn? Oregon? I'm hoping for a big collapse at the top myself that sends TCU and Wisconsin to the BCSNCG and the Buckeyes back to the Rose Bowl.

I won't lie, I was shouting when I heard the final score come in! I think I'll send Kyle Brotzman a holiday basket. I do feel a little sad for them, that was a tough loss, with those shots. It definitely was a win more of "luck" than skill, I won't be stupid and say that they just couldn't pull it off, but I'll accept the loss...

Most everybody here on campus is stoked about the Big East move. I have some mixed feelings about it, only because it means we are going to be playing awful teams again. I'll have to pray that after a few BCS wins they will find it in their hearts to let us in to the Big 12 and actually make it "The Big '12'".

South Carolina might do Auburn in, they beat Alabama, and look how close the Auburn/Alabama game was. If they can just stop Newton, they might do it. Overall though, Auburn is just so wild with what they are capable of pulling off. I will be interested in seeing that one go down.

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My biased highlights: Boise State down. TCU is going to Big East. Alabama threw an amazing game. I laughed at that Oregon safety. This was an interesting rivalry week.

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Do not stand at my grave and weep,
I am not there, I do not sleep.

I am a thousand winds that blow.
I am the diamond glint on snow.
I am the sunlight on ripened grain.
I am the gentle autumn rain.

When you wake in the morning hush,
I am the swift, uplifting rush
Of quiet birds in circling flight.
I am the soft starlight at night.

Do not stand at my grave and weep.
I am not there, I do not sleep.
Do not stand at my grave and cry.
I am not there, I did not die!

-- Mary Frye (1932)

I do, I was referring to heat within the SEC. I was saying those teams were slated as just staying at the top, at least Alabama and LSU...

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No. I just knew. Somehow I did. Now it's deciding between the Rangers and the Giants.

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I wonder what the Vegas odds for the Rangers were this year?

The Rangers have had a magical fun year, started the season with a loosing slump, manager test positive for a drug test, team in bankruptcy, a catcher who is over weight hitting for a cycle.

I thought about doing that when my buddy went to Vegas last spring.  He checked the Reds and it was something like 100-1 odds for them, so I imagine it might have been a bit higher?  Not sure though.

It was definitely a "what the @!%* type season. I think it was partly the Yankees fault for letting Guerrero and Hamilton hit when they should have walked them, and also for underestimating Cliff Lee vs. their offense.

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Guerrero actually has been kind of quiet at the bat, and his stint in right field for the WS has been bad.  However, they walked Hamilton quite a bit, I think more than any other Ranger.

They did walk Hamilton quite a bit. When they didn't though, he was a power house.

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